tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post4585439700497100684..comments2023-06-06T12:28:36.360+01:00Comments on GREEN ON THE OUTSIDE RED TO THE CORE: THIS IS NOT LIKE IRAQ! IT'S FAR MORE DEVIOUSAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15051530490965644662noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-60806951607738566802011-04-03T16:51:59.932+01:002011-04-03T16:51:59.932+01:00Anon; was that aimed at me?
I think you are conf...Anon; was that aimed at me? <br /><br />I think you are confused, I don't think something like world war two was right; and I do think we were right to enter into that war. (and the first world war ~ you know the great war to end all wars... didn't work did it?)<br /><br />My point I guess (even if I cannot convay it as well as John or Tony) is war sucks. Sure we "might" win, but look at the costs... someone loses their wife, husband, son, daughter, bother or sister and people don't really learn.<br /><br />If they learnt during the first world war then we would have not had a second one would we? Surely the point of teaching someone is that they learn? If not, why on earth did I have to go school?<br /><br />What was the point of sending our troops to fight (and often to their death) in Iraq, when the "guy" we were fighting has not been seen since 9/11; and it does seem to be that we are fighting a losing cause...<br /><br />If you are pro war, go out and fight with others by all means. I shall respect and support you, like I do all our armed forces; but it will not stop me wanting to find a better solution for everyone ~ one where mothers, fathers, partners and children do not need to bury their loved ones...<br /><br />Is that so wrong Anon?Nicky Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11456707783778025168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-923931952673105082011-04-01T19:28:25.274+01:002011-04-01T19:28:25.274+01:00Anon, if I were alive in the 30s I would have happ...Anon, if I were alive in the 30s I would have happily fought Hitlers aggression against his neighbours and would have speaking out against his policy of genicide against all those not of his liking.<br /><br />As I said I supported action against Serbia when in Parliament, perhaps the difference therefore between us is that I think for myself rather than letting a government or party leadership tell me what I should think and who I should back.<br /><br />NATO may be 100% correct I have no problem with UN res 1979 but France and the UK and the USA are in my view in breach in their interpretation and in its enforcement. And once again at &500,000 a missile I think a little economic caution wouldn't go amiss!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051530490965644662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-63898270847318831522011-03-30T17:45:49.796+01:002011-03-30T17:45:49.796+01:00Forgive me anonymous but what was that little bit ...Forgive me anonymous but what was that little bit of banter about when the Tory PM returned from Munich with 'Peace in our time' flitting off his lips!<br />And what by the way was the non-interventionist line of the British Government when fascist bombers were practising bombing civilians in Guernica in the Spanish Civil War?<br />If you want to use historical analogies have the decency to get them right!john Dickienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-13671873373032263992011-03-30T14:54:32.619+01:002011-03-30T14:54:32.619+01:00Britain and NATO are 100% correct. I guess if you ...Britain and NATO are 100% correct. I guess if you was alive in the 30's you would have allowed Hitler to carry on his business as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-73683506300669430682011-03-28T23:51:13.404+01:002011-03-28T23:51:13.404+01:00Agree with you on both fronts.
Still don't un...Agree with you on both fronts.<br /><br />Still don't understand it completely, but then I feel that way about most wars if I am honest; still cannot understand why we NEED to have wars ~ can people not think without their fists and toys?<br /><br />When you have a minute, please give me an e-mail; want to ask you something about this election thingy... (don't worry, nothing bad)Nicky Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11456707783778025168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-11905909033865227732011-03-24T18:59:40.728+00:002011-03-24T18:59:40.728+00:00Pacifists generally are against all war and milita...Pacifists generally are against all war and military intervention. As I described I voted for action in Serbia because that was just.<br /><br />A UN resolution makes action legal, but my question is why is it us that is policing this one? Are we no longer broke? And are we sure that both sides are civilian friendly? <br /><br />An Arab League solution to an Arabic nation problemwithout Western oil driven intervention is what I want.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051530490965644662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-35390372885075219462011-03-24T06:24:00.086+00:002011-03-24T06:24:00.086+00:00For the record, and so I don't get in any more...For the record, and so I don't get in any more trouble; these are MY own views... (Are we all clear and covered?) <br /><br />First off... "Call me old fashioned but shouldn't we set the plan for all to see and have clear objectives laid out and decided upon before we start shooting people?" You do make me smile Mister!<br /><br />Not sure if I got this bit correct, but how can you NOT be a pacifist, but also not like war? By its very name surely a pacifist, would not like wars and stuff anyways? (Or was that me reading it wrong at 6am?)<br /><br />I get your point, and sort of agree.<br />But... is it wrong to want to save civilian life?<br />Yes maybe Britain is to blame, yes maybe war (in whatever form) is wrong; but if you do nothing surely we are as bad as those we may want to stop?<br /> <br />(If that makes sense, I shall be impressed ~ still feeling groggy from the fall last night)<br /><br />You know me; I am not a "conforming" kinda gal. However, "if" (and it's a big if) it came down to my "vote" I would personally weigh up all the facts before making that choice... <br /><br />Now don't get me wrong, war is wrong period. But I am looking at things on a bit more basic level than your (sometimes) complicated view... do any more of OUR brave service men and women NEED to die in wars that were not of our choice or making?<br /><br />I totally agree that the Iraq war was unjust, with no proof and only as retaliation for 9/11; our armed forces are sent to their graves for what? <br /><br />After all, you can't save the world can you mate?Nicky Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11456707783778025168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-8822515726286887592011-03-23T10:36:59.885+00:002011-03-23T10:36:59.885+00:00Patriot, our differences centre around where we ar...Patriot, our differences centre around where we are viewing the problem from.<br /><br />i.e. from the position of being a nationalist or an internationalist, but I agree about two faced approach. Given Zimbabwe's history as a former colonial state you would think we would have a first duty there, or in Palastine, after all we screwed both countries up so we have a duty and a debt.<br /><br />But Libya? So yes it is crystal clear that it is just about the oil, and yet the media don't want to say it and the public don't want to believe it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051530490965644662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-33263872313017702532011-03-22T22:03:51.484+00:002011-03-22T22:03:51.484+00:00Tony, we may not see eye to eye on many things, bu...Tony, we may not see eye to eye on many things, but our continual interference in the business of other countries cannot be condoned. It is becooming blatantly obvious that our intervention is about oil and natural resources not about humantarian aid, otherwise why have we not intervened in Zimbabwe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-13081406150733966282011-03-22T14:54:47.398+00:002011-03-22T14:54:47.398+00:00Thanks Roger, and you are right about my confused ...Thanks Roger, and you are right about my confused compass! Today the cost of our folly is being revealed, the cost of a single cruise missile is about £500,000, while a single Tornado sortie is about £30,000 - in fuel alone.<br /><br />If a Tornado was downed, and had to be replaced, it would cost the Treasury upwards of £50m, he warned. The US and UK have already fired more than 110 cruise missiles, but it is not clear how many were launched by Britain.<br /><br />The total cost of military action per year in Libya is estimated to be around the £4bn mark!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051530490965644662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6636667195540919897.post-74488472476977683632011-03-22T10:06:39.024+00:002011-03-22T10:06:39.024+00:00Well said Tony. BTW I think you've got your Ea...Well said Tony. BTW I think you've got your East & West Libya mixed up (6th para)!Roger Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06735262800454812153noreply@blogger.com